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		<title>By: John Rett</title>
		<link>http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/01/22/i-lost-another-hour-to-linux-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2203</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your willing to look into the fglrx driver again. Be sure to read about aticonfig, the program that does the xorg config automatically and other settings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your willing to look into the fglrx driver again. Be sure to read about aticonfig, the program that does the xorg config automatically and other settings.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan Skinner</title>
		<link>http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/01/22/i-lost-another-hour-to-linux-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2202</link>
		<dc:creator>Aidan Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same crap with my X1400 on my thinkpad. All I wanted was to use an external monitor and all of a sudden I hadn&#039;t washed in days, my girlfriend had left me and I had a beard down to my knees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same crap with my X1400 on my thinkpad. All I wanted was to use an external monitor and all of a sudden I hadn&#8217;t washed in days, my girlfriend had left me and I had a beard down to my knees.</p>
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		<title>By: Abel Cheung</title>
		<link>http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/01/22/i-lost-another-hour-to-linux-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Abel Cheung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting from &lt;a href=&quot;http://udrepper.livejournal.com/20187.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ulrich Drepper&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;:

            Option	    &quot;monitor-DVI-0&quot; &quot;dvi0&quot;
	Option	    &quot;monitor-DVI-1&quot; &quot;dvi1&quot;

Add to the names DVI-0 and DVI-1 the magic prefix &quot;monitor-&quot; and add as the second parameter string an arbitrary identifier. Do not drop or change the &quot;monitor-&quot; prefix, that&#039;s the main magic which seems to make all this work.

Vladimir, you didn&#039;t search hard enough. Youo should have search for 1 quadrillion more blogs before complaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting from <a href="http://udrepper.livejournal.com/20187.html" rel="nofollow">Ulrich Drepper&#8217;s blog</a>:</p>
<p>            Option	    &#8220;monitor-DVI-0&#8243; &#8220;dvi0&#8243;<br />
	Option	    &#8220;monitor-DVI-1&#8243; &#8220;dvi1&#8243;</p>
<p>Add to the names DVI-0 and DVI-1 the magic prefix &#8220;monitor-&#8221; and add as the second parameter string an arbitrary identifier. Do not drop or change the &#8220;monitor-&#8221; prefix, that&#8217;s the main magic which seems to make all this work.</p>
<p>Vladimir, you didn&#8217;t search hard enough. Youo should have search for 1 quadrillion more blogs before complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Stoffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stoffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh. You can all blame ATI as much as you want, but this stuff works as badly on Intels open source drivers as well. Not only does it crap out on rotating, it also can&#039;t understand many 16:9 screens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh. You can all blame ATI as much as you want, but this stuff works as badly on Intels open source drivers as well. Not only does it crap out on rotating, it also can&#8217;t understand many 16:9 screens.</p>
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		<title>By: BillBasher</title>
		<link>http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/01/22/i-lost-another-hour-to-linux-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2198</link>
		<dc:creator>BillBasher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s clearly the kernel developers problem that stuff like this doesn&#039;t work right. First they choosed X as the GUI, which just sucks. It&#039;s over 20 years old, if you ever tried to code something in xlib,you will that this is not useful nowadays. However the xorg team wants to improve this and get rid of the xorg.conf, but so far not much success, as you can read above not even xrandr works. Apple decided against XFree for macosx and got a wonderful looking and well working gui..

To the hardware vendors, there is a textfile in the kernel, which says &quot;Stable API nonsense&quot; or something like this. They explain why they don&#039;t want a stable driver api. Mircosoft offers a driver api, so companies can write easyly a driver for it and decide weather they want to make it open source or not. Now to the open source driver thing: If you think that Nvidia will make the specs or the driver open for their newes chips/cards which costed millions to develop, just to get a possible 20% or the 1% market share of Linux on the desktop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clearly the kernel developers problem that stuff like this doesn&#8217;t work right. First they choosed X as the GUI, which just sucks. It&#8217;s over 20 years old, if you ever tried to code something in xlib,you will that this is not useful nowadays. However the xorg team wants to improve this and get rid of the xorg.conf, but so far not much success, as you can read above not even xrandr works. Apple decided against XFree for macosx and got a wonderful looking and well working gui..</p>
<p>To the hardware vendors, there is a textfile in the kernel, which says &#8220;Stable API nonsense&#8221; or something like this. They explain why they don&#8217;t want a stable driver api. Mircosoft offers a driver api, so companies can write easyly a driver for it and decide weather they want to make it open source or not. Now to the open source driver thing: If you think that Nvidia will make the specs or the driver open for their newes chips/cards which costed millions to develop, just to get a possible 20% or the 1% market share of Linux on the desktop.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;ve had some similar issues on my Ubuntu tablet. I want to let you know:

1) I _fixed_ the bloody &quot;seconds per frame&quot; rotation lag problem thingy! Hooray! ...The same thing might work for you, I&#039;d just have to spend some time recounting the steps, aaaagh. Somebody here mentioned EXA, and that&#039;s exactly right! To get _that_ working, I needed to build a recent Git snapshot of Mesa. To get _that_ working, I practically had to get a degree in computer science. But! It was fun, and hopefully I&#039;ll be able to help other lost souls find their way through the harsh development period that Linux rotation is (sadly, still) in. If you want me to recount the process, send me an E-mail!

2) I&#039;m having the same &quot;can&#039;t see half the screen&quot; problem, waaaah! Except, half my screen is _blank._ If you find out any more of this, please tell me! (Those other than Vladimir: you can leave a comment on my website, or something...)

3) I&#039;m pretty sad that this thread devolved into a flamewar. I love Linux to bits, believe me, but I know it has flaws, and recognizing those flaws is key to making Linux even better! The correct term for Linux&#039;s desktop-readiness is &quot;rough around the edges.&quot; I can&#039;t blame people for being nervous about Linux for their high-end rigs. I&#039;ve been pulling teeth getting various things on my compy to work under Linux, but I&#039;m geek-inclined and I can learn to do those things, and it&#039;s fun to be so hands-on with your computer, and I know not everybody thinks like that, or has time to tinker forever. I hope that by learning these complicated things, I can hasten the day when my knowledge will no longer be needed for the everyday user.

Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;ve had some similar issues on my Ubuntu tablet. I want to let you know:</p>
<p>1) I _fixed_ the bloody &#8220;seconds per frame&#8221; rotation lag problem thingy! Hooray! &#8230;The same thing might work for you, I&#8217;d just have to spend some time recounting the steps, aaaagh. Somebody here mentioned EXA, and that&#8217;s exactly right! To get _that_ working, I needed to build a recent Git snapshot of Mesa. To get _that_ working, I practically had to get a degree in computer science. But! It was fun, and hopefully I&#8217;ll be able to help other lost souls find their way through the harsh development period that Linux rotation is (sadly, still) in. If you want me to recount the process, send me an E-mail!</p>
<p>2) I&#8217;m having the same &#8220;can&#8217;t see half the screen&#8221; problem, waaaah! Except, half my screen is _blank._ If you find out any more of this, please tell me! (Those other than Vladimir: you can leave a comment on my website, or something&#8230;)</p>
<p>3) I&#8217;m pretty sad that this thread devolved into a flamewar. I love Linux to bits, believe me, but I know it has flaws, and recognizing those flaws is key to making Linux even better! The correct term for Linux&#8217;s desktop-readiness is &#8220;rough around the edges.&#8221; I can&#8217;t blame people for being nervous about Linux for their high-end rigs. I&#8217;ve been pulling teeth getting various things on my compy to work under Linux, but I&#8217;m geek-inclined and I can learn to do those things, and it&#8217;s fun to be so hands-on with your computer, and I know not everybody thinks like that, or has time to tinker forever. I hope that by learning these complicated things, I can hasten the day when my knowledge will no longer be needed for the everyday user.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: bizzle.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bizzle.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly. linux is not ready for the desktop.

i just installed the latest ubuntu on my dell m610. just like you said, graphical installer didn&#039;t work, used the text. that went fine. reboot, x starts, blank screen. manually edit the xorg.conf, set my resolution. restartx, yea! i can see!

lets get on the internet... nope. no wireless. hrm. broadcom. hrm. wiki. forum. wiki. forum. kinda got it working, reboot to see if it STAYS working... nope. 

linux on the desktop sucks, regardless of drivers.

oh and mike: &quot;OS X doesn’t install on PC hardware either&quot; because its not PC software, nerd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly. linux is not ready for the desktop.</p>
<p>i just installed the latest ubuntu on my dell m610. just like you said, graphical installer didn&#8217;t work, used the text. that went fine. reboot, x starts, blank screen. manually edit the xorg.conf, set my resolution. restartx, yea! i can see!</p>
<p>lets get on the internet&#8230; nope. no wireless. hrm. broadcom. hrm. wiki. forum. wiki. forum. kinda got it working, reboot to see if it STAYS working&#8230; nope. </p>
<p>linux on the desktop sucks, regardless of drivers.</p>
<p>oh and mike: &#8220;OS X doesn’t install on PC hardware either&#8221; because its not PC software, nerd.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you Vladimir for trying, and taking the time to give us all the details.

My one statement on Linux is that if it didn&#039;t already exist someone would have to invent it.

And on the technical front, I came across the thread while trying to make acceleration happen with a rotated external monitor on my IBM/Lenovo T41 running debian/unstable.  Turns out that changing to EXA acceleration as per Giacomo&#039;s suggestion simply meant that I got no acceleration on either screen.  Looking at the log, which I haven&#039;t saved (since gone back to XAA acceleration) so can&#039;t quite precisely I saw something along the lines of &#039;Acceleration enabled for R100&#039; which might explain the lack of acceleration on my Mobility 7500.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you Vladimir for trying, and taking the time to give us all the details.</p>
<p>My one statement on Linux is that if it didn&#8217;t already exist someone would have to invent it.</p>
<p>And on the technical front, I came across the thread while trying to make acceleration happen with a rotated external monitor on my IBM/Lenovo T41 running debian/unstable.  Turns out that changing to EXA acceleration as per Giacomo&#8217;s suggestion simply meant that I got no acceleration on either screen.  Looking at the log, which I haven&#8217;t saved (since gone back to XAA acceleration) so can&#8217;t quite precisely I saw something along the lines of &#8216;Acceleration enabled for R100&#8242; which might explain the lack of acceleration on my Mobility 7500.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Franco Catrin</title>
		<link>http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/01/22/i-lost-another-hour-to-linux-today/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco Catrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really simple:  Linux works, ATI drivers don&#039;t.   Go and call ATI.

As an user, you don&#039;t have to go and search any log to see why unsupported video drivers doesn&#039;t work, they just doesn&#039;t.

BTW I have a cheap bt8x8 card that never worked in Windows XP, I can&#039;t even search a log because there are no logs where I can have a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really simple:  Linux works, ATI drivers don&#8217;t.   Go and call ATI.</p>
<p>As an user, you don&#8217;t have to go and search any log to see why unsupported video drivers doesn&#8217;t work, they just doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>BTW I have a cheap bt8x8 card that never worked in Windows XP, I can&#8217;t even search a log because there are no logs where I can have a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Use a better distro..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Use a better distro..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Suse.. It seems my friends in the linux community need to create a new distro every single time someone gets bored. Rather than make the major distros beeter they brach off and create crap like Ubuntu..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Suse.. It seems my friends in the linux community need to create a new distro every single time someone gets bored. Rather than make the major distros beeter they brach off and create crap like Ubuntu..</p>
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